Comments for Presidential Listening Tour http://media.swarthmore.edu/listening_tour Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:30:19 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 Comment on Discussing in Denver by Jan MacKenzie '50 http://media.swarthmore.edu/listening_tour/?p=188&cpage=1#comment-27 Jan MacKenzie '50 Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:30:19 +0000 http://media.swarthmore.edu/listening_tour/?p=188#comment-27 Thank you for coming to Denver and sharing your thoughts about Swarthmore and its programs. Two of our children attended (although one transferred out) so we have strong connections. It was a great pleasure for my husband and me to meet you. (He is the Caltech graduate who shared some thoughts about David Baltimore.) In peace, Jan Thank you for coming to Denver and sharing your thoughts about Swarthmore and its programs. Two of our children attended (although one transferred out) so we have strong connections. It was a great pleasure for my husband and me to meet you. (He is the Caltech graduate who shared some thoughts about David Baltimore.) In peace, Jan

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Comment on Thoughts from D.C. by Jerry Nelson '65 http://media.swarthmore.edu/listening_tour/?p=21&cpage=1#comment-26 Jerry Nelson '65 Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:43:42 +0000 http://media.swarthmore.edu/listening_tour/?p=21#comment-26 Hi, All, Cheers, Dr. Chopp, Could you teach us more about "Hicksite Quakers"? With your background in theology, it tumbles out easily that Quakerism has sects and Swarthmore typifies one of them. All news to me, and when I look it up, I see that what I admired in college and what I have become in values and political outlook is species of Quakerism. Refer once in a while once more to Hicksite history. You will be teaching this member of the community about himself. Those modest Quakers! They never said a word. Regards, --jerry (and Robin Tina Lorrin Bruce Joan . . . ) Hi, All,
Cheers, Dr. Chopp,
Could you teach us more about "Hicksite Quakers"? With your background in theology, it tumbles out easily that Quakerism has sects and Swarthmore typifies one of them. All news to me, and when I look it up, I see that what I admired in college and what I have become in values and political outlook is species of Quakerism. Refer once in a while once more to Hicksite history. You will be teaching this member of the community about himself. Those modest Quakers! They never said a word.
Regards,
--jerry
(and Robin Tina Lorrin Bruce Joan . . . )

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Comment on Listening in London by Eric Osterweil http://media.swarthmore.edu/listening_tour/?p=172&cpage=1#comment-25 Eric Osterweil Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:49:27 +0000 http://media.swarthmore.edu/listening_tour/?p=172#comment-25 Dear Rebecca, It was a pleasure to have met you and to have had a chance to talk to you, Stephen Bayer and Kay Fairs about Swarthmore. The exchange of ideas on Wednesday night was most interesting and certainly useful particularly as regards visibility of the College outside the borders of the United States. I was happily surprised by reports of the development of the arts at Swarthmore. It is a good thing that Swarthmore undergrads range far and wide in their efforts to make a positive impact on the world. However, in the light of our brief discussion of civility, I would hope that some of our students would look to making a difference close to home in the light of the obvious breakdown in both trust and language at the level of our political leadership. Perhaps they do! Frankly, I doubt that old timers such as myself have much to add to the dialogue; but I shall reflect on what we discussed and will write to you in due course. Best regards and bon retour, Dear Rebecca,

It was a pleasure to have met you and to have had a chance to talk to you, Stephen Bayer and Kay Fairs about Swarthmore. The exchange of ideas on Wednesday night was most interesting and certainly useful particularly as regards visibility of the College outside the borders of the United States. I was happily surprised by reports of the development of the arts at Swarthmore.

It is a good thing that Swarthmore undergrads range far and wide in their efforts to make a positive impact on the world. However, in the light of our brief discussion of civility, I would hope that some of our students would look to making a difference close to home in the light of the obvious breakdown in both trust and language at the level of our political leadership. Perhaps they do!

Frankly, I doubt that old timers such as myself have much to add to the dialogue; but I shall reflect on what we discussed and will write to you in due course.

Best regards and bon retour,

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Comment on Listening in London by Lucy Rickman Baruch http://media.swarthmore.edu/listening_tour/?p=172&cpage=1#comment-24 Lucy Rickman Baruch Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:44:15 +0000 http://media.swarthmore.edu/listening_tour/?p=172#comment-24 I have plenty of experience of the lack of understanding about US "Colleges". When I applied for the UK equivalent of the GI Bill of Rights to the London School of Economics they, at least, had no trouble with Swarthmore. However when I later responded to the call for teachers I had some difficulty explaining that I did indeed have a BA. I did think that a quick call to the US Embassy might clear up the confusion... In the end I was accepted! When I read the obituary of Lord Adrian, an eminent doctor in this country, I was dismayed to read that he had graduated from "Swarthmore High School". It was not considered important enough for a correction, alas! We look forward to more visits from Rebecca Chopp I have plenty of experience of the lack of understanding about US "Colleges".
When I applied for the UK equivalent of the GI Bill of Rights to the London School of Economics they, at least, had no trouble with Swarthmore. However when I later responded to the call for teachers I had some difficulty explaining that I did indeed have a BA. I did think that a quick call to the US Embassy might clear up the confusion... In the end I was accepted!
When I read the obituary of Lord Adrian, an eminent doctor in this country, I was dismayed to read that he had graduated from "Swarthmore High School". It was not considered important enough for a correction, alas!
We look forward to more visits from Rebecca Chopp

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Comment on Perceptions from LA by Rebecca Chopp http://media.swarthmore.edu/listening_tour/?p=116&cpage=1#comment-23 Rebecca Chopp Mon, 08 Mar 2010 14:47:53 +0000 http://media.swarthmore.edu/listening_tour/?p=116#comment-23 Yes, a visit to Seattle is very likely next year! I hope we'll have a chance to meet then. Yes, a visit to Seattle is very likely next year! I hope we'll have a chance to meet then.

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Comment on Perceptions from LA by Benjamin http://media.swarthmore.edu/listening_tour/?p=116&cpage=1#comment-22 Benjamin Wed, 17 Feb 2010 18:51:18 +0000 http://media.swarthmore.edu/listening_tour/?p=116#comment-22 Any chance for a visit to Seattle? Any chance for a visit to Seattle?

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Comment on Perceptions from LA by H. Collings http://media.swarthmore.edu/listening_tour/?p=116&cpage=1#comment-21 H. Collings Sat, 30 Jan 2010 03:51:29 +0000 http://media.swarthmore.edu/listening_tour/?p=116#comment-21 John: I agree that Swarthmore not be a likely price competitor for in-state public tuition. Having visited places like UVA during a recent college search that made me a Swarthmore parent, I would caution not to over-romanticize the education at large state schools, even very good ones. For example, Swarthmore could save considerable money by having its discussion sections led by grad student TAs, too. There are real differences in a public university scale educational offering and an interactive, boutique scale program. I would consider Virginians among the four luckiest in the in-state public education draw, along with North Carolina, Michigan, and California. These schools, however, all under extreme financial duress. Berkeley, for example, routinely has lectures courses with over 1000 students. That, IMO, is no way to teach undergrads. Comparing publics to Swarthmore is difficult because of the way numbers are reported, but here are a few key indicators from the 2009-2010 Common Data Set filings for UVA and Swarthmore: Total undergrad Enrollment: Swarthmore: 1,525 Univ. Virginia: 15,208 Tuition, room, board, and fees (out of state): Swarthmore: $49,578 Univ. Virginia: $40,290 Institutional need and non-need based grant aid: Swarthmore: $23,718,392 ($15,553 per undergrad) Univ. Virginia: $33,674,560 ($2,214 per undergrad) The average student at Swarthmore paid $32,000 room, board, tuition, a nd fees last year. I can't give you an average for UVA, but it's almost certain that the average out-of-state student at UVA last year paid more than the average Swarthmore student. For example, UVA has no institutional aid for international students. Swarthmore spent over $80,000 per student in operating expenses last year. Providing an $80,000 educational program for an average cost of $32,000 is high value and the reason that the application numbers are at all time historic highs. John:

I agree that Swarthmore not be a likely price competitor for in-state public tuition. Having visited places like UVA during a recent college search that made me a Swarthmore parent, I would caution not to over-romanticize the education at large state schools, even very good ones. For example, Swarthmore could save considerable money by having its discussion sections led by grad student TAs, too. There are real differences in a public university scale educational offering and an interactive, boutique scale program. I would consider Virginians among the four luckiest in the in-state public education draw, along with North Carolina, Michigan, and California. These schools, however, all under extreme financial duress. Berkeley, for example, routinely has lectures courses with over 1000 students. That, IMO, is no way to teach undergrads.

Comparing publics to Swarthmore is difficult because of the way numbers are reported, but here are a few key indicators from the 2009-2010 Common Data Set filings for UVA and Swarthmore:

Total undergrad Enrollment:

Swarthmore: 1,525
Univ. Virginia: 15,208

Tuition, room, board, and fees (out of state):

Swarthmore: $49,578
Univ. Virginia: $40,290

Institutional need and non-need based grant aid:

Swarthmore: $23,718,392 ($15,553 per undergrad)
Univ. Virginia: $33,674,560 ($2,214 per undergrad)

The average student at Swarthmore paid $32,000 room, board, tuition, a nd fees last year. I can't give you an average for UVA, but it's almost certain that the average out-of-state student at UVA last year paid more than the average Swarthmore student. For example, UVA has no institutional aid for international students.

Swarthmore spent over $80,000 per student in operating expenses last year. Providing an $80,000 educational program for an average cost of $32,000 is high value and the reason that the application numbers are at all time historic highs.

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Comment on Perceptions from LA by John Halbert '90 http://media.swarthmore.edu/listening_tour/?p=116&cpage=1#comment-20 John Halbert '90 Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:54:46 +0000 http://media.swarthmore.edu/listening_tour/?p=116#comment-20 I am strongly encouraged by the focus on preparing students for life after Swarthmore. I was completely unprepared for life after Swat, and I paid a very heavy price - years of financial and personal instability. One suggestion along these lines: Please let Swarthmore students that there is nothing wrong with networking. When I was there, in the late '80's, networking was considered taboo - sophisticated liberal intellectuals didn't do that kind of thing. You were supposed to get a job based on what you knew, not who you knew. One thing I have discovered is that everyone has a different style of networking. I would like to take issue with one of President Chopp's answers, and that is about Swarthmore's competition. She noted that Swarthmore competes with students primarily with Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Stanford. I'm sure this is technically true. But in a larger sense, Swarthmore's competition is not the Ivy League, Williams, Amherst, or even the great state schools like Berkeley or Michigan. Swarthmore's competition is Google, Amazon, Apple and the New York Times. It is McKinsey, Microsoft, and The Atlantic. It is Daily Kos, Talking Points Memo, and the ACLU. There was a time when liberal arts colleges and universities were the centers of enlightened and progressive thinking in America. In the hard sciences, this is still the case. In the social sciences and the humanities, it no longer is. You can learn about Shakespeare by taking a Shakespeare seminar at Swat, or you can watch a lot of Shakespeare movies from Netflix. That won't be as academically rigorous as the seminar, but it's also about 1/100th the price. But combine Netflix with a degree from the University of Virginia, and there is suddenly not much difference between UVA and Swarthmore. This is important because it speaks to the issue of cost versus value. Swarthmore costs a lot more than a good state school, and implicit in the idea of Swarthmore costing so much more is the idea that it is a better value. But measured in strictly economic terms, I highly doubt that Swarthmore delivers a better value than a good state school. There may be some Swarthmore students who make more money after graduating from Swat than they would have if they had gone to a good state school. But I don't know any. Pretty much everyone that I know who graduated from Swarthmore is making a good, solid, average middle class living. Most of them are pretty happy with their Swarthmore experiences (with some exceptions, including me). But none of them paid $50,000 a year. I am strongly encouraged by the focus on preparing students for life after Swarthmore. I was completely unprepared for life after Swat, and I paid a very heavy price - years of financial and personal instability. One suggestion along these lines: Please let Swarthmore students that there is nothing wrong with networking. When I was there, in the late '80's, networking was considered taboo - sophisticated liberal intellectuals didn't do that kind of thing. You were supposed to get a job based on what you knew, not who you knew. One thing I have discovered is that everyone has a different style of networking.

I would like to take issue with one of President Chopp's answers, and that is about Swarthmore's competition. She noted that Swarthmore competes with students primarily with Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Stanford. I'm sure this is technically true. But in a larger sense, Swarthmore's competition is not the Ivy League, Williams, Amherst, or even the great state schools like Berkeley or Michigan.

Swarthmore's competition is Google, Amazon, Apple and the New York Times. It is McKinsey, Microsoft, and The Atlantic. It is Daily Kos, Talking Points Memo, and the ACLU. There was a time when liberal arts colleges and universities were the centers of enlightened and progressive thinking in America. In the hard sciences, this is still the case. In the social sciences and the humanities, it no longer is. You can learn about Shakespeare by taking a Shakespeare seminar at Swat, or you can watch a lot of Shakespeare movies from Netflix. That won't be as academically rigorous as the seminar, but it's also about 1/100th the price. But combine Netflix with a degree from the University of Virginia, and there is suddenly not much difference between UVA and Swarthmore.

This is important because it speaks to the issue of cost versus value. Swarthmore costs a lot more than a good state school, and implicit in the idea of Swarthmore costing so much more is the idea that it is a better value. But measured in strictly economic terms, I highly doubt that Swarthmore delivers a better value than a good state school. There may be some Swarthmore students who make more money after graduating from Swat than they would have if they had gone to a good state school. But I don't know any. Pretty much everyone that I know who graduated from Swarthmore is making a good, solid, average middle class living. Most of them are pretty happy with their Swarthmore experiences (with some exceptions, including me). But none of them paid $50,000 a year.

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Comment on Observations from New York City by Rebecca Chopp http://media.swarthmore.edu/listening_tour/?p=93&cpage=1#comment-19 Rebecca Chopp Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:00:45 +0000 http://media.swarthmore.edu/listening_tour/?p=93#comment-19 Daniel, Since I arrived in July, we have been hard at work to resolve an $8 million budget gap, the result of the Great Recession. This past weekend the Board of Managers approved a set of recommendations presented by the Ad Hoc Financial Planning Group. More information about this plan can be found <a href="http://www.swarthmore.edu/Documents/administration/finance_investment_office/approved_budget_adjustment_Dec09.pdf" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">here</a>. In addition to resolving the budget shortfall, we have also been engaged in a search for a new Dean of Students, a critical member of Swarthmore's senior leadership team. We hope to have a new Dean in place by the summer of 2010. The Dean will be asked to provide leadership and direction to continue to enhance the overall quality of student life, academic advising and support, and residential education at Swarthmore. In addition to these concrete initiatives, next year the College will undertake a strategic direction-setting process which will help shape the future of Swarthmore. We will do so only by engaging with our on campus community, as well as our alumni body. I have also articulated a number of priorities in the previous blog entry which you might find interesting. Sincerely, Rebecca Chopp Daniel,

Since I arrived in July, we have been hard at work to resolve an $8 million budget gap, the result of the Great Recession. This past weekend the Board of Managers approved a set of recommendations presented by the Ad Hoc Financial Planning Group. More information about this plan can be found here.

In addition to resolving the budget shortfall, we have also been engaged in a search for a new Dean of Students, a critical member of Swarthmore's senior leadership team. We hope to have a new Dean in place by the summer of 2010. The Dean will be asked to provide leadership and direction to continue to enhance the overall quality of student life, academic advising and support, and residential education at Swarthmore.

In addition to these concrete initiatives, next year the College will undertake a strategic direction-setting process which will help shape the future of Swarthmore. We will do so only by engaging with our on campus community, as well as our alumni body. I have also articulated a number of priorities in the previous blog entry which you might find interesting.

Sincerely,

Rebecca Chopp

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Comment on Observations from New York City by Daniel Pak '12 http://media.swarthmore.edu/listening_tour/?p=93&cpage=1#comment-18 Daniel Pak '12 Sat, 05 Dec 2009 19:58:23 +0000 http://media.swarthmore.edu/listening_tour/?p=93#comment-18 Hi President Chopp, My question is simple. What are your plans for the future of Swarthmore? When will we see tangible (or intangible) results? Hi President Chopp,

My question is simple. What are your plans for the future of Swarthmore? When will we see tangible (or intangible) results?

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